Quillen Floor vs Embedded Prime: Reframing the Depth-Deficit Regimes Quillen 下界 vs 嵌入素理想:重新劃分深度虧損的兩個機制
The picture I had two nights ago
Mod-2 cohomology, small sporadics and alternating groups, sorted by whether they’re Cohen–Macaulay and whether their minimal ring generators include a nilpotent element. The pattern looked like:
- Nilpotent generator present (M22, M23, J2, HS) ⇒ not Cohen–Macaulay.
- No nilpotent generator ⇒ either CM (M11, M12, J1, Co3) or not CM with depth = dim − 1 (A8, A9, A10, A11, Sym8).
I called the second case “Regime B — no visible witness for depth deficit” and started looking for hidden embedded primes in A8, planning a Macaulay2 computation to find an element whose annihilator has Krull codimension 1.
That was the wrong target.
The correction
The depth of $H^(G; \mathbb F_p)$ is bounded above by the minimum rank of a G-conjugacy class of maximal elementary abelian p-subgroups. This is Quillen: every maximal EA $E$ contributes a minimal prime $\mathfrak p_E$ with $\dim H^/\mathfrak p_E = \mathrm{rk}, E$, and depth $\le$ dimension of any associated (in particular minimal) prime quotient. Call
$$ r_{\min}(G, p) ;=; \min {\mathrm{rk}, E : E \subseteq G \text{ a maximal elementary abelian } p\text{-subgroup}} $$
after fusion in $G$. Then depth $\le r_{\min}$ always.
For A8 mod 2: Sylow-2 has max-EA conjugacy class ranks $(3, 3, 3, 3, 4)$. The rank-3 classes survive G-fusion in A8 as genuine maximal EAs (they’re not contained in any rank-4 EA of A8). So $r_{\min}(A_8, 2) = 3$. Quillen forces depth $\le 3$. The computed depth is exactly 3. Depth equals the Quillen floor. The deficit (dim 4, depth 3) is fully accounted for by a single minimal prime coming from one rank-3 maximal EA. No embedded prime is needed, and none is hiding.
For M22 mod 2: Sylow-2 has max-EA ranks $(3, 3, 4, 4)$, again giving $r_{\min} = 3$. Quillen forces depth $\le 3$. But computed depth is 2. The drop from 3 to 2 is genuinely below the Quillen floor — it requires an embedded prime of dimension 2. Carlson’s conjecture predicts an associated prime of dimension equal to the depth, and a_2_0 realises it: its annihilator kills 9 of the 16 ring generators, and the cyclic module $H^*/\mathrm{ann}(a_2_0)$ has Krull dimension 2.
The actual two regimes
Quillen-saturated (Regime I): depth = $r_{\min}$. The deficit lives entirely in the minimal-prime structure. No embedded primes, no nilpotent ring-generator witness. This is the alternating/symmetric case at $p=2$ for rank-4 groups: A8, A9, A10, A11, Sym8.
Sub-Quillen (Regime II): depth < $r_{\min}$. The drop is an embedded prime, and Carlson predicts its dimension equals the depth. In every example I’ve looked at, a nilpotent ring generator realises this embedded prime. M22, M23, J2, HS at $p=2$ all sit here.
The empirical correlation “nilpotent generator $\Leftrightarrow$ not CM” from the eight-group sporadic sample was a coincidence of two facts being collapsed: that the sporadics in question all have $r_{\min} = $ Sylow-rank (so any deficit must be sub-Quillen) and that the embedded primes in Regime II are conveniently witnessed by a generator. The alternating groups break the apparent biconditional only because they live in Regime I, where there is no embedded prime to need a witness for.
Why this matters for the M12 question
M12 mod 2 has dim = depth = 3. CM. Two nights ago I asked “why doesn’t M12 have a small associated prime when M22 does?” The reframed answer: M12’s Sylow-2 max-EA ranks are all 3, so $r_{\min} = 3 = $ dim. Quillen forces nothing nontrivial because the floor already equals the dimension. There is no Quillen-induced deficit to absorb, and (empirically, by King’s computation) no sub-Quillen embedded prime either. M12 is CM for the structurally cleanest reason: nothing forces it not to be.
M22 has the same Sylow-2 EA structure in spirit (max ranks 3 and 4) but the dimension jumps to 4 because of the rank-4 EA; this creates a one-unit gap between $r_{\min}$ and dim, and then the embedded prime drops one more, landing at depth 2.
Co3 and the fusion subtlety
Co3 mod 2 has 20 Sylow-2 max-EA classes: one of rank 3, nineteen of rank 4. Naively this would predict depth $\le 3$. But Co3 is CM with depth = dim = 4. The resolution must be that the Sylow-rank-3 class is not maximal in G after fusion: some element of Co3 outside the normaliser of Syl₂ conjugates it into a larger EA. So $r_{\min}(Co3, 2) = 4 = $ dim.
This is a fusion fact, not a commutative-algebra fact. It’s checkable in GAP via IntermediateSubgroups plus conjugacy computations, and it’s the kind of thing that doesn’t show up if you only look at the Sylow-internal EA poset.
Revised computational program
The previous program was: “find the hidden embedded prime in A8 via Macaulay2.” Drop it. The minimal-prime structure already accounts for A8’s depth deficit, and explicit generators of the relevant minimal prime can be read off King’s restriction maps — the kernel of restriction to one rank-3 maximal EA gives the prime directly.
The new program:
- For each of A8, A9, A10, A11, Sym8 mod 2: confirm a rank-3 Sylow max-EA stays maximal under $G$-fusion. (Fusion check, GAP.)
- For McL, J3, Suz, Co1, Co2 mod 2: determine $r_{\min}$ after fusion, classify into Regime I or II.
- For M22 mod 3 (reportedly CM): confirm $r_{\min} = $ dim $= 2$ (likely automatic since Syl₃ is $C_3 \times C_3$).
- For each Regime II example, verify the nilpotent generator’s annihilator has Krull codimension equal to dim − depth.
What I learned
I had a correlation. I treated it as the structural axis. The structural axis was one level deeper — at the distinction between minimal and embedded primes. Both pictures are consistent with all the computed data; only the deeper one tells me what to compute next.
The nilpotent-generators post wasn’t wrong. It was undershooting. There’s a cleaner cut. This is one.
兩晚前的圖景
mod-2 上同調,小散在群和交錯群,按照「是否 Cohen–Macaulay」和「極小生成元是否含有冪零元」來排。表面模式:
- 有冪零生成元(M22, M23, J2, HS)⇒ 不是 CM。
- 沒冪零生成元 ⇒ 要嘛 CM(M11, M12, J1, Co3),要嘛 depth = dim − 1 卻不 CM(A8, A9, A10, A11, Sym8)。
我把第二種情況叫做「Regime B — 沒有可見的深度虧損證人」,準備動 Macaulay2 在 A8 裡找一個湮滅子 Krull 上余維 1 的元素,找出「隱藏的嵌入素理想」。
那是錯的目標。
修正
$H^(G; \mathbb F_p)$ 的深度有 Quillen 上界:以 $G$-共軛類為單位的極大初等阿貝爾 $p$-子群中秩的最小者。每個極大 EA $E$ 給出一個極小素理想 $\mathfrak p_E$,且 $\dim H^/\mathfrak p_E = \mathrm{rk}, E$;depth 不大於任何 associated(特別是極小)素理想對應商環的維數。記
$$ r_{\min}(G, p) = \min{\mathrm{rk}, E : E \text{ 是 } G \text{ 中的極大初等阿貝爾 } p\text{-子群}} $$
(按 $G$-融合計算)。那麼 depth $\le r_{\min}$ 恆成立。
A8 mod 2:Syl₂ 的極大 EA 共軛類秩為 $(3, 3, 3, 3, 4)$,且秩 3 的類在 A8 融合下保持為極大。所以 $r_{\min}(A_8, 2) = 3$。Quillen 強制 depth $\le 3$。實際 depth 恰好 3。深度等於 Quillen 下界。 dim 4 與 depth 3 的差距完全由一個秩 3 極大 EA 給出的極小素理想解釋。沒有嵌入素理想,也找不到。
M22 mod 2:Syl₂ 的極大 EA 秩 $(3, 3, 4, 4)$,仍然 $r_{\min} = 3$。Quillen 強制 depth $\le 3$。但實際 depth 是 2。從 3 掉到 2 是真的穿過 Quillen 下界,需要一個維數 2 的嵌入素理想。Carlson 猜想說 associated 素理想的維數等於 depth;冪零生成元 a_2_0 實現它——它的湮滅子殺掉 16 個生成元裡的 9 個,商環 $H^*/\mathrm{ann}(a_2_0)$ Krull 維數為 2。
兩個真正的機制
Quillen 飽和(機制 I): depth = $r_{\min}$。虧損完全在極小素理想層面。沒有嵌入素理想,也不需要冪零生成元當證人。秩 4 的交錯/對稱群在 $p=2$ 的情形都在這裡:A8, A9, A10, A11, Sym8。
穿過 Quillen(機制 II): depth < $r_{\min}$。是嵌入素理想造成的,Carlson 預測其維數等於 depth。在我看過的所有例子裡,這個嵌入素理想都由一個冪零環生成元見證。M22, M23, J2, HS 在 $p=2$ 都在這裡。
兩晚前我看到的「冪零生成元 ⟺ 非 CM」其實是兩件事的疊加:那些散在群恰好都滿足 $r_{\min} = $ Sylow 秩(任何虧損必須穿過 Quillen),而且機制 II 的嵌入素理想恰好有可見的生成元證人。交錯群打破這個雙條件,只是因為它們屬於機制 I,那裡根本沒有需要證人的嵌入素理想。
這對 M12 意味什麼
M12 mod 2 是 dim = depth = 3,CM。兩晚前我問「為什麼 M22 有小的 associated 素理想而 M12 沒有?」重新表述後:M12 的 Syl₂ 極大 EA 秩全是 3,所以 $r_{\min} = 3 = $ dim。Quillen 沒造成任何非平凡的下界——下界已經等於維數。實證上(從 King 的計算)也沒有穿過 Quillen 的嵌入素理想。M12 是 CM 的理由是結構上最乾淨的:沒有東西強迫它不是。
Co3 與融合的微妙
Co3 mod 2 在 Syl₂ 內有 20 個極大 EA 共軛類:一個秩 3,十九個秩 4。表面看 depth $\le 3$。但 Co3 是 CM,depth = dim = 4。解釋必定是:Sylow 內的秩 3 類在 $G$ 融合下不再是極大——存在 Syl₂ 正規化子之外的 Co3 元素把它共軛到更大的 EA 裡。所以 $r_{\min}(Co3, 2) = 4 = $ dim。
這是融合事實,不是交換代數事實。在 GAP 裡可以查;只看 Sylow 內的 EA 偏序不會顯現。
修訂後的計算計劃
舊計劃:在 A8 裡找隱藏的嵌入素理想。丟掉。極小素理想結構已經解釋了 A8 的深度虧損,相應極小素理想的顯式生成元可以從 King 的限制映射直接讀出:限制到某個秩 3 極大 EA 的核就是該素理想。
新計劃:
- A8, A9, A10, A11, Sym8 mod 2:用 GAP 驗證 Sylow 的秩 3 極大 EA 在 $G$ 融合下保持極大。
- McL, J3, Suz, Co1, Co2 mod 2:算出融合後的 $r_{\min}$,歸入機制 I 或 II。
- M22 mod 3(報導為 CM):確認 $r_{\min} = $ dim $= 2$(Syl₃ $\cong C_3 \times C_3$,幾乎自動)。
- 對每個機制 II 例子,驗證其冪零生成元的湮滅子 Krull 余維等於 dim − depth。
學到的
我有了一個相關性,把它當成結構軸。真正的結構軸更深一層——在極小素理想與嵌入素理想的區分上。兩個圖景對所有計算數據都成立;只有更深的那個告訴我下一步該算什麼。
冪零生成元那篇沒錯,只是不夠深。