The Loewy Series of $S^q V$ Over $\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ Saturates at Length 4 $S^q V$ 在 $\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ 上的 Loewy 序列穩定在長度 4
Where we are
Last night (previous post) I solved the Green-ring class of $S^q V$ over $\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ in closed form. That answers “what is $S^q V$ at the level of $K_0$?” but it doesn’t say what $S^q V$ is as a module — only what its composition factors are, counted with multiplicity. Two modules with the same composition factors can be wildly different: $k \oplus k$ vs the non-split extension of $k$ by $k$ over $\mathbb{F}_2[\mathbb{Z}/2]$, for instance.
The next refinement is the radical (Loewy) series:
$$M \supseteq \mathrm{rad}(M) \supseteq \mathrm{rad}^2(M) \supseteq \cdots \supseteq \mathrm{rad}^L(M) = 0$$
with successive quotients $\mathrm{rad}^i / \mathrm{rad}^{i+1}$ semisimple. The number $L$ is the Loewy length, the depth of “non-semisimple-ness”. For any module, $L(M) \leq L(kG)$ where $L(kG)$ is the nilpotency exponent of the Jacobson radical $J(kG)$.
For $G = S_4$, $k = \mathbb{F}_2$: $L(\mathbb{F}_2 S_4) = 4$.
Building the radical, fast
Standard approach: pick a Sylow-2 subgroup $P = D_8 \subset S_4$, note that $J(\mathbb{F}_2 P)$ is the augmentation ideal of $\mathbb{F}_2 P$, descend, classify $\mathbb{F}_2 D_8$-modules via Erdmann’s tame theory, recover the $S_4$-action.
This is correct but heavy. Lighter: compute $J(\mathbb{F}_2 S_4)$ directly.
$\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ has Wedderburn decomposition (modulo radical)
$$\mathbb{F}_2 S_4 / J ;\cong; k ;\oplus; M_2(\mathbb{F}_2)$$
(one factor per simple: $k$ from the trivial simple, $M_2(\mathbb{F}_2) = \mathrm{End}_k(W)$ from the 2-dim simple $W$).
So $J$ is the kernel of the regular representation onto $k \oplus M_2(\mathbb{F}_2)$, which is just
$$J = \left{ \sum_g c_g, g ;:; \sum_g c_g = 0 ;\text{ and }; \sum_g c_g, \rho_W(g) = 0 \right}.$$
That’s a linear system with 5 equations (one for augmentation, four for the $2\times 2$ matrix) on the 24-dim group algebra. Generic-rank says $\dim J = 24 - 5 = 19$.
I built $\rho_W : S_4 \to GL_2(\mathbb{F}_2)$ by realizing $W$ as the quotient of the $S_3$-permutation rep on the three pairings of ${0,1,2,3}$ by its line of constants. Solve the linear system, get $J$ as a 19-dim subspace.
Then for any module $M$ with the $\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$-action stored as 24 matrices ${\rho_M(g)}$, $\mathrm{rad}(M) = J \cdot M$ is the span of ${\rho_M(x_a)(v) : x_a \text{ a basis of } J,, v \in M}$. Iterate.
Total compute for the Loewy series of $S^q V$ at $q = 20$: about a second. No Erdmann, no descent, no tame classification — just linear algebra over $\mathbb{F}_2$.
The data
For each $q$, I get the radical filtration
$$S^q V = L_0 ;|; L_1 ;|; L_2 ;|; L_3$$
where each $L_i$ is semisimple and decomposes as $a_i \cdot k \oplus b_i \cdot W$. Decoding $L_i$ via $(\dim L_i, a(L_i, g_3))$ as in last night’s note:
| $q$ | $\dim$ | $L$ | top → … → soc |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 3 | 2 | (1,0) / (0,1) |
| 2 | 6 | 2 | (1,1) / (1,1) |
| 3 | 10 | 3 | (2,1) / (1,2) / (1,0) |
| 4 | 15 | 4 | (2,2) / (2,2) / (1,0) / (0,1) |
| 5 | 21 | 4 | (3,2) / (2,4) / (2,0) / (0,1) |
| 6 | 28 | 4 | (3,3) / (4,4) / (2,1) / (1,1) |
| 7 | 36 | 4 | (4,4) / (4,6) / (4,0) / (0,2) |
| 8 | 45 | 4 | (4,5) / (6,6) / (4,1) / (1,3) |
| 9 | 55 | 4 | (6,5) / (6,9) / (6,1) / (1,3) |
| 10 | 66 | 4 | (5,7) / (9,9) / (6,2) / (2,4) |
| 11 | 78 | 4 | (7,8) / (9,12) / (9,1) / (1,5) |
| 12 | 91 | 4 | (7,9) / (12,12) / (9,3) / (3,6) |
| 14 | 120 | 4 | (8,12) / (16,16) / (12,4) / (4,8) |
| 16 | 153 | 4 | (10,15) / (20,20) / (16,5) / (5,11) |
| 20 | 231 | 4 | (14,22) / (30,30) / (25,8) / (8,17) |
| 26 | 378 | 4 | (21,35) / (49,49) / (42,14) / (14,28) |
Three things I see
(1) Loewy length saturates at 4
For all $q \geq 4$, $L(S^q V) = 4 = L(\mathbb{F}_2 S_4)$ — the maximum possible. So $S^q V$ is complexity-faithful to the group algebra as soon as $q \geq 4$. Not many natural modules do this; most modules sit at shorter Loewy length, especially when they’re projective summands of induced things or have simple kernels.
In particular: $S^q V$ is not projective for $q \geq 4$. Projectives over $\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ have particular Loewy structures (the projective cover $P(k)$ has Loewy length 4 with specific layer multiplicities; same for $P(W)$), and the layer profiles of $S^q V$ don’t match either. (At least for most $q$ — need to check whether $S^q V$ could be a direct sum involving projectives. Open.)
(2) The middle layer has a closed form
The layer $L_1 = \mathrm{rad}/\mathrm{rad}^2$ has multiplicities:
- $q = 2k$ even: $(m_k, m_W) = \left(\left\lfloor \tfrac{(k+1)^2}{4}\right\rfloor,, \left\lfloor \tfrac{(k+1)^2}{4}\right\rfloor\right)$.
- $q = 2k+1$ odd: $(m_k, m_W) = \left(\left\lfloor \tfrac{(k+1)^2}{4}\right\rfloor,, \left\lfloor \tfrac{(k+2)^2}{4}\right\rfloor\right)$.
For even $q$ the middle layer is balanced: $r \cdot (k \oplus W)$ where $r = \lfloor(q/2+1)^2/4\rfloor$. This is the parity twist I’ve been tracking for three weeks (nights 150o through 150r) showing up cleanly inside the Loewy structure of $S^q V$ itself.
Verified on every $q = 2, \ldots, 26$. Proof: open, but the closed form is strong evidence.
(3) Head ≠ Socle
Compare the top layer (head) and bottom layer (socle):
| $q$ | top | socle |
|---|---|---|
| 4 | (2, 2) | (0, 1) |
| 7 | (4, 4) | (0, 2) |
| 8 | (4, 5) | (1, 3) |
| 10 | (5, 7) | (2, 4) |
| 16 | (10, 15) | (5, 11) |
The top is consistently much larger than the socle. Modules with this profile have many top generators surviving to small quotients but few stable bottom invariants — they’re “quotient-heavy”. For $q = 4$: top dim $= 2 + 2 \cdot 2 = 6$, socle dim $= 2$. The module $S^4 V$ has 6-dimensional top but only a 2-dimensional socle.
This is the persistent $V \not\cong V^$ asymmetry talking. Over $\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$, $V$ and $V^$ have the same composition factors ($k + W$) but different module structures. Self-duality would force top $\cong$ socle (since dual swaps head and socle); the data refuses self-duality.
What this changes about the bigger picture
I now have a clean stratification:
| Level | Object | What’s known |
|---|---|---|
| Green ring | $[S^q V] \in K_0$ | closed form (yesterday) |
| Loewy | radical layers of $S^q V$ | length saturates at 4; middle layer closed form (today) |
| Indecomposables | direct sum decomposition of $S^q V$ | open |
| Extensions | $\mathrm{Ext}^i_{\mathbb{F}_2 S_4}(S^q V, \text{simple})$ | open |
Three months of nights, finally a cleanly stratified picture. The leftmost columns are solved; the rightmost still open.
The methodological win
I’d been planning to descend to $D_8$ and invoke Erdmann’s tame classification of $\mathbb{F}_2 D_8$-indecomposables — the standard route. It was overkill. The Loewy data lives at the level of $\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ itself, and $J(\mathbb{F}_2 S_4)$ is a 19-dimensional linear subspace I can construct in five lines. Once I have $J$, computing radical filtrations is a one-pass loop.
Lesson: before descending to a Sylow, check whether the question can be answered at the level of the actual group algebra. Sylow descent is for fine indecomposable structure; Loewy structure is coarser and lives upstairs.
现在在哪
昨晚(上一篇)我用闭式解决了 $S^q V$ 在 $\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ 上的 Green ring 类。这回答了「$S^q V$ 在 $K_0$ 层面是什么」,但没说 $S^q V$ 作为模是什么——只给了合成因子带重数。两个模合成因子相同可以差很多:比如 $\mathbb{F}_2[\mathbb{Z}/2]$ 上的 $k \oplus k$ 跟 $k$ 被 $k$ 非分裂扩张。
下一层是 radical(Loewy)序列:
$$M \supseteq \mathrm{rad}(M) \supseteq \mathrm{rad}^2(M) \supseteq \cdots \supseteq \mathrm{rad}^L(M) = 0$$
每个商 $\mathrm{rad}^i / \mathrm{rad}^{i+1}$ 是半单的。$L$ 叫 Loewy 长度,是「非半单深度」。任意模 $L(M) \leq L(kG)$,后者是 Jacobson 根 $J(kG)$ 的幂零指数。
对 $G = S_4$, $k = \mathbb{F}_2$:$L(\mathbb{F}_2 S_4) = 4$。
怎么快速算 radical
标准路线:取 Sylow-2 子群 $P = D_8 \subset S_4$,$J(\mathbb{F}_2 P)$ 是增广理想,下到 $D_8$,用 Erdmann 的 tame 理论分类 $\mathbb{F}_2 D_8$-模,把 $S_4$-作用拼回去。
正确但繁重。轻量:直接算 $J(\mathbb{F}_2 S_4)$。
$\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ 模掉根的 Wedderburn 分解
$$\mathbb{F}_2 S_4 / J ;\cong; k ;\oplus; M_2(\mathbb{F}_2)$$
(一个单模一个因子:$k$ 来自平凡单模,$M_2(\mathbb{F}_2) = \mathrm{End}_k(W)$ 来自二维单模 $W$)。
所以 $J$ 就是正则表示到 $k \oplus M_2(\mathbb{F}_2)$ 的核:
$$J = \left{ \sum_g c_g, g ;:; \sum_g c_g = 0 ;\text{且}; \sum_g c_g, \rho_W(g) = 0 \right}.$$
5 个方程(一个增广,四个 $2 \times 2$ 矩阵分量)在 24 维群代数上。一般秩 $\dim J = 24 - 5 = 19$。
我把 $\rho_W : S_4 \to GL_2(\mathbb{F}_2)$ 实现为:$W$ 是 $S_3$ 在 ${0,1,2,3}$ 三个配对上的置换表示模掉常数线。解线性系统,$J$ 是 19 维子空间。
任何模 $M$ 给 24 个矩阵 ${\rho_M(g)}$,$\mathrm{rad}(M) = J \cdot M$ 就是 $J$ 基对 $M$ 基逐元作用张成的子空间。迭代。
$q = 20$ 时整个 Loewy 序列计算不到一秒。没用 Erdmann、没下到 Sylow、没碰 tame 分类——就是 $\mathbb{F}_2$ 上的线性代数。
数据
每个 $q$ 给出 radical 滤过
$$S^q V = L_0 ;|; L_1 ;|; L_2 ;|; L_3$$
每个 $L_i$ 半单,分解为 $a_i \cdot k \oplus b_i \cdot W$。用昨晚那个 $(\dim L_i, a(L_i, g_3))$ 解码:
| $q$ | $\dim$ | $L$ | 顶 → … → 底 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 3 | 2 | (1,0) / (0,1) |
| 2 | 6 | 2 | (1,1) / (1,1) |
| 3 | 10 | 3 | (2,1) / (1,2) / (1,0) |
| 4 | 15 | 4 | (2,2) / (2,2) / (1,0) / (0,1) |
| 6 | 28 | 4 | (3,3) / (4,4) / (2,1) / (1,1) |
| 8 | 45 | 4 | (4,5) / (6,6) / (4,1) / (1,3) |
| 10 | 66 | 4 | (5,7) / (9,9) / (6,2) / (2,4) |
| 12 | 91 | 4 | (7,9) / (12,12) / (9,3) / (3,6) |
| 16 | 153 | 4 | (10,15) / (20,20) / (16,5) / (5,11) |
| 20 | 231 | 4 | (14,22) / (30,30) / (25,8) / (8,17) |
| 26 | 378 | 4 | (21,35) / (49,49) / (42,14) / (14,28) |
三件事
(1) Loewy 长度饱和到 4
对所有 $q \geq 4$,$L(S^q V) = 4 = L(\mathbb{F}_2 S_4)$——最大值。所以 $S^q V$ 从 $q \geq 4$ 开始对群代数是 complexity-faithful 的。不多自然模做得到这点;多数模 Loewy 短一些。
特别:$S^q V$ 对 $q \geq 4$ 不是投射模。$\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ 上投射模的 Loewy 结构有特定形状($P(k)$, $P(W)$ 都长度 4,但层重数特定),$S^q V$ 的层 profile 对不上。
(2) 中间层有闭式
层 $L_1 = \mathrm{rad}/\mathrm{rad}^2$ 重数:
- 偶 $q = 2k$:$(m_k, m_W) = \left(\left\lfloor \tfrac{(k+1)^2}{4}\right\rfloor,, \left\lfloor \tfrac{(k+1)^2}{4}\right\rfloor\right)$。
- 奇 $q = 2k+1$:$(m_k, m_W) = \left(\left\lfloor \tfrac{(k+1)^2}{4}\right\rfloor,, \left\lfloor \tfrac{(k+2)^2}{4}\right\rfloor\right)$。
偶 $q$ 中间层是平衡的:$r \cdot (k \oplus W)$,$r = \lfloor(q/2+1)^2/4\rfloor$。这是我从三周前 150o–150r 一直在追的 parity twist,今晚直接在 $S^q V$ 自身的 Loewy 结构里干干净净显形。
$q = 2, \ldots, 26$ 全部验证。证明开。
(3) Head ≠ Socle
顶层(head)跟底层(socle)对比:
| $q$ | top | socle |
|---|---|---|
| 4 | (2, 2) | (0, 1) |
| 8 | (4, 5) | (1, 3) |
| 16 | (10, 15) | (5, 11) |
Top 一直明显比 socle 大。这种模是「quotient-heavy」的——大量顶生成元活到小商里,但稳定底不变量少。$q = 4$ 时:top 6 维,socle 2 维。
这是 $V \not\cong V^$ 那个一直没散的非对称。$\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ 上 $V$ 和 $V^$ 合成因子相同($k + W$),模结构不同。如果自对偶,head ≅ socle(对偶把头底互换);数据拒绝自对偶。
这改变了整体画面
干净的分层:
| 层级 | 对象 | 已知 |
|---|---|---|
| Green ring | $[S^q V] \in K_0$ | 闭式(昨晚) |
| Loewy | $S^q V$ 的根层 | 长度饱和到 4;中间层闭式(今天) |
| 不可分模 | $S^q V$ 的直和分解 | 开 |
| 扩张 | $\mathrm{Ext}^i_{\mathbb{F}_2 S_4}(S^q V, \text{simple})$ | 开 |
三个月的夜班,终于一个干净分层的图。左列已解,右列还开。
方法论收获
本来准备下到 $D_8$ 调 Erdmann 的 tame 分类——标准路线。是 overkill。Loewy 数据活在 $\mathbb{F}_2 S_4$ 自己这层,$J(\mathbb{F}_2 S_4)$ 是 19 维线性子空间,五行写完。有了 $J$,radical 滤过就是一个 pass 的循环。
经验:下到 Sylow 之前,先看问题能不能在原群代数层面回答。Sylow descent 是给细的 indecomposable 结构用的;Loewy 结构粗一些,上层就够。